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PT4/L/LETTER
This website contains an archive of files for the Acorn Electron, BBC Micro, Acorn Archimedes, Commodore 16 and Commodore 64 computers, which Dominic Ford has rescued from his private collection of floppy disks and cassettes.
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| Tape/disk: | Home » Personal collection » Acorn ADFS disks » Greaseweazled » dfs_box04_disk02b_eug_scripts.adf |
| Filename: | PT4/L/LETTER |
| Read OK: | ✔ |
| File size: | 0795 bytes |
| Load address: | 4C0D6576 |
| Exec address: | 65747465 |
File contents
Submitting text to EUG Dear Gus, Up until now I have been word-processing all of my scripts for EUG using VIEW on an Electron, but now I have changed to using View on a BBC Master which I have recently managed to get second hand. The problem is that I haven't got any manuals for the Master, and the function keys in the BBC version of View seem completely different to those on the Elk version (using combinations of SHIFT, CTRL and the F keys, as opposed to FUNC). I've been able to work out some of the function keys by trial and error - but someone must have a manual out there somewhere! Can anyone fill me in on the function key combinations? Another question - as we all know the value of PAGE is increased when a disc filing system is attached to a Beeb or the Elk (not the Master). I am under the impression that the maximum that it reaches is &1D00 on the Elk with ADFS, but I noticed that some of the scripts I have produced that worked fine in VIEW with PAGE=&1D00 had to be split to go onto EUG. What is the maximum length that VIEW files should be to go onto EUG as a single file before splits are required? A while back I was thinking about submitting a diagram to EUG and decided to try out the program "Diagram", which was published way back in EUG 16. I was thinking, having spent about half an hour going through the EUG disks trying to find it, that many newer members might not know of its existence, and older members could well have forgotten about it. Perhaps it should be put onto an EUG disc every now and then as the 'official' EUG diagram drawing program - that way more people might think to include illustrations with letters and scripts. Needless to say, looking back over the old EUGs was an interesting experience, especially since it was a circuit diagram that I wanted to draw, and I came across Richard Dimond's adaptation of CAD+, which did the job better than Diagram would have done! Dominic Ford
00000000 53 75 62 6d 69 74 74 69 6e 67 20 74 65 78 74 20 |Submitting text | 00000010 74 6f 20 45 55 47 0d 0d 44 65 61 72 20 47 75 73 |to EUG..Dear Gus| 00000020 2c 0d 0d 55 70 20 75 6e 74 69 6c 20 6e 6f 77 20 |,..Up until now | 00000030 49 20 68 61 76 65 20 62 65 65 6e 20 77 6f 72 64 |I have been word| 00000040 2d 70 72 6f 63 65 73 73 69 6e 67 20 61 6c 6c 20 |-processing all | 00000050 6f 66 20 6d 79 20 73 63 72 69 70 74 73 20 66 6f |of my scripts fo| 00000060 72 20 45 55 47 20 75 73 69 6e 67 0d 56 49 45 57 |r EUG using.VIEW| 00000070 20 6f 6e 20 61 6e 20 45 6c 65 63 74 72 6f 6e 2c | on an Electron,| 00000080 20 62 75 74 20 6e 6f 77 20 49 20 68 61 76 65 20 | but now I have | 00000090 63 68 61 6e 67 65 64 20 74 6f 20 75 73 69 6e 67 |changed to using| 000000a0 20 56 69 65 77 20 6f 6e 20 61 20 42 42 43 20 4d | View on a BBC M| 000000b0 61 73 74 65 72 0d 77 68 69 63 68 20 49 20 68 61 |aster.which I ha| 000000c0 76 65 20 72 65 63 65 6e 74 6c 79 20 6d 61 6e 61 |ve recently mana| 000000d0 67 65 64 20 74 6f 20 67 65 74 20 73 65 63 6f 6e |ged to get secon| 000000e0 64 20 68 61 6e 64 2e 20 54 68 65 20 70 72 6f 62 |d hand. The prob| 000000f0 6c 65 6d 20 69 73 20 74 68 61 74 20 49 0d 68 61 |lem is that I.ha| 00000100 76 65 6e 27 74 20 67 6f 74 20 61 6e 79 20 6d 61 |ven't got any ma| 00000110 6e 75 61 6c 73 20 66 6f 72 20 74 68 65 20 4d 61 |nuals for the Ma| 00000120 73 74 65 72 2c 20 61 6e 64 20 74 68 65 20 66 75 |ster, and the fu| 00000130 6e 63 74 69 6f 6e 20 6b 65 79 73 20 69 6e 20 74 |nction keys in t| 00000140 68 65 20 42 42 43 0d 76 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 20 6f |he BBC.version o| 00000150 66 20 56 69 65 77 20 73 65 65 6d 20 63 6f 6d 70 |f View seem comp| 00000160 6c 65 74 65 6c 79 20 64 69 66 66 65 72 65 6e 74 |letely different| 00000170 20 74 6f 20 74 68 6f 73 65 20 6f 6e 20 74 68 65 | to those on the| 00000180 20 45 6c 6b 20 76 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 0d 28 75 73 | Elk version.(us| 00000190 69 6e 67 20 63 6f 6d 62 69 6e 61 74 69 6f 6e 73 |ing combinations| 000001a0 20 6f 66 20 53 48 49 46 54 2c 20 43 54 52 4c 20 | of SHIFT, CTRL | 000001b0 61 6e 64 20 74 68 65 20 46 20 6b 65 79 73 2c 20 |and the F keys, | 000001c0 61 73 20 6f 70 70 6f 73 65 64 20 74 6f 20 46 55 |as opposed to FU| 000001d0 4e 43 29 2e 0d 49 27 76 65 20 62 65 65 6e 20 61 |NC)..I've been a| 000001e0 62 6c 65 20 74 6f 20 77 6f 72 6b 20 6f 75 74 20 |ble to work out | 000001f0 73 6f 6d 65 20 6f 66 20 74 68 65 20 66 75 6e 63 |some of the func| 00000200 74 69 6f 6e 20 6b 65 79 73 20 62 79 20 74 72 69 |tion keys by tri| 00000210 61 6c 20 61 6e 64 20 65 72 72 6f 72 20 2d 0d 62 |al and error -.b| 00000220 75 74 20 73 6f 6d 65 6f 6e 65 20 6d 75 73 74 20 |ut someone must | 00000230 68 61 76 65 20 61 20 6d 61 6e 75 61 6c 20 6f 75 |have a manual ou| 00000240 74 20 74 68 65 72 65 20 73 6f 6d 65 77 68 65 72 |t there somewher| 00000250 65 21 20 43 61 6e 20 61 6e 79 6f 6e 65 20 66 69 |e! Can anyone fi| 00000260 6c 6c 20 6d 65 20 69 6e 0d 6f 6e 20 74 68 65 20 |ll me in.on the | 00000270 66 75 6e 63 74 69 6f 6e 20 6b 65 79 20 63 6f 6d |function key com| 00000280 62 69 6e 61 74 69 6f 6e 73 3f 0d 0d 41 6e 6f 74 |binations?..Anot| 00000290 68 65 72 20 71 75 65 73 74 69 6f 6e 20 2d 20 61 |her question - a| 000002a0 73 20 77 65 20 61 6c 6c 20 6b 6e 6f 77 20 74 68 |s we all know th| 000002b0 65 20 76 61 6c 75 65 20 6f 66 20 50 41 47 45 20 |e value of PAGE | 000002c0 69 73 20 69 6e 63 72 65 61 73 65 64 20 77 68 65 |is increased whe| 000002d0 6e 20 61 0d 64 69 73 63 20 66 69 6c 69 6e 67 20 |n a.disc filing | 000002e0 73 79 73 74 65 6d 20 69 73 20 61 74 74 61 63 68 |system is attach| 000002f0 65 64 20 74 6f 20 61 20 42 65 65 62 20 6f 72 20 |ed to a Beeb or | 00000300 74 68 65 20 45 6c 6b 20 28 6e 6f 74 20 74 68 65 |the Elk (not the| 00000310 20 4d 61 73 74 65 72 29 2e 20 49 20 61 6d 0d 75 | Master). I am.u| 00000320 6e 64 65 72 20 74 68 65 20 69 6d 70 72 65 73 73 |nder the impress| 00000330 69 6f 6e 20 74 68 61 74 20 74 68 65 20 6d 61 78 |ion that the max| 00000340 69 6d 75 6d 20 74 68 61 74 20 69 74 20 72 65 61 |imum that it rea| 00000350 63 68 65 73 20 69 73 20 26 31 44 30 30 20 6f 6e |ches is &1D00 on| 00000360 20 74 68 65 20 45 6c 6b 0d 77 69 74 68 20 41 44 | the Elk.with AD| 00000370 46 53 2c 20 62 75 74 20 49 20 6e 6f 74 69 63 65 |FS, but I notice| 00000380 64 20 74 68 61 74 20 73 6f 6d 65 20 6f 66 20 74 |d that some of t| 00000390 68 65 20 73 63 72 69 70 74 73 20 49 20 68 61 76 |he scripts I hav| 000003a0 65 20 70 72 6f 64 75 63 65 64 20 74 68 61 74 0d |e produced that.| 000003b0 77 6f 72 6b 65 64 20 66 69 6e 65 20 69 6e 20 56 |worked fine in V| 000003c0 49 45 57 20 77 69 74 68 20 50 41 47 45 3d 26 31 |IEW with PAGE=&1| 000003d0 44 30 30 20 68 61 64 20 74 6f 20 62 65 20 73 70 |D00 had to be sp| 000003e0 6c 69 74 20 74 6f 20 67 6f 20 6f 6e 74 6f 20 45 |lit to go onto E| 000003f0 55 47 2e 20 57 68 61 74 0d 69 73 20 74 68 65 20 |UG. What.is the | 00000400 6d 61 78 69 6d 75 6d 20 6c 65 6e 67 74 68 20 74 |maximum length t| 00000410 68 61 74 20 56 49 45 57 20 66 69 6c 65 73 20 73 |hat VIEW files s| 00000420 68 6f 75 6c 64 20 62 65 20 74 6f 20 67 6f 20 6f |hould be to go o| 00000430 6e 74 6f 20 45 55 47 20 61 73 20 61 20 73 69 6e |nto EUG as a sin| 00000440 67 6c 65 0d 66 69 6c 65 20 62 65 66 6f 72 65 20 |gle.file before | 00000450 73 70 6c 69 74 73 20 61 72 65 20 72 65 71 75 69 |splits are requi| 00000460 72 65 64 3f 0d 0d 41 20 77 68 69 6c 65 20 62 61 |red?..A while ba| 00000470 63 6b 20 49 20 77 61 73 20 74 68 69 6e 6b 69 6e |ck I was thinkin| 00000480 67 20 61 62 6f 75 74 20 73 75 62 6d 69 74 74 69 |g about submitti| 00000490 6e 67 20 61 20 64 69 61 67 72 61 6d 20 74 6f 20 |ng a diagram to | 000004a0 45 55 47 20 61 6e 64 20 64 65 63 69 64 65 64 0d |EUG and decided.| 000004b0 74 6f 20 74 72 79 20 6f 75 74 20 74 68 65 20 70 |to try out the p| 000004c0 72 6f 67 72 61 6d 20 22 44 69 61 67 72 61 6d 22 |rogram "Diagram"| 000004d0 2c 20 77 68 69 63 68 20 77 61 73 20 70 75 62 6c |, which was publ| 000004e0 69 73 68 65 64 20 77 61 79 20 62 61 63 6b 20 69 |ished way back i| 000004f0 6e 20 45 55 47 20 31 36 2e 0d 49 20 77 61 73 20 |n EUG 16..I was | 00000500 74 68 69 6e 6b 69 6e 67 2c 20 68 61 76 69 6e 67 |thinking, having| 00000510 20 73 70 65 6e 74 20 61 62 6f 75 74 20 68 61 6c | spent about hal| 00000520 66 20 61 6e 20 68 6f 75 72 20 67 6f 69 6e 67 20 |f an hour going | 00000530 74 68 72 6f 75 67 68 20 74 68 65 20 45 55 47 0d |through the EUG.| 00000540 64 69 73 6b 73 20 74 72 79 69 6e 67 20 74 6f 20 |disks trying to | 00000550 66 69 6e 64 20 69 74 2c 20 74 68 61 74 20 6d 61 |find it, that ma| 00000560 6e 79 20 6e 65 77 65 72 20 6d 65 6d 62 65 72 73 |ny newer members| 00000570 20 6d 69 67 68 74 20 6e 6f 74 20 6b 6e 6f 77 20 | might not know | 00000580 6f 66 20 69 74 73 0d 65 78 69 73 74 65 6e 63 65 |of its.existence| 00000590 2c 20 61 6e 64 20 6f 6c 64 65 72 20 6d 65 6d 62 |, and older memb| 000005a0 65 72 73 20 63 6f 75 6c 64 20 77 65 6c 6c 20 68 |ers could well h| 000005b0 61 76 65 20 66 6f 72 67 6f 74 74 65 6e 20 61 62 |ave forgotten ab| 000005c0 6f 75 74 20 69 74 2e 20 50 65 72 68 61 70 73 0d |out it. Perhaps.| 000005d0 69 74 20 73 68 6f 75 6c 64 20 62 65 20 70 75 74 |it should be put| 000005e0 20 6f 6e 74 6f 20 61 6e 20 45 55 47 20 64 69 73 | onto an EUG dis| 000005f0 63 20 65 76 65 72 79 20 6e 6f 77 20 61 6e 64 20 |c every now and | 00000600 74 68 65 6e 20 61 73 20 74 68 65 20 27 6f 66 66 |then as the 'off| 00000610 69 63 69 61 6c 27 20 45 55 47 0d 64 69 61 67 72 |icial' EUG.diagr| 00000620 61 6d 20 64 72 61 77 69 6e 67 20 70 72 6f 67 72 |am drawing progr| 00000630 61 6d 20 2d 20 74 68 61 74 20 77 61 79 20 6d 6f |am - that way mo| 00000640 72 65 20 70 65 6f 70 6c 65 20 6d 69 67 68 74 20 |re people might | 00000650 74 68 69 6e 6b 20 74 6f 20 69 6e 63 6c 75 64 65 |think to include| 00000660 0d 69 6c 6c 75 73 74 72 61 74 69 6f 6e 73 20 77 |.illustrations w| 00000670 69 74 68 20 6c 65 74 74 65 72 73 20 61 6e 64 20 |ith letters and | 00000680 73 63 72 69 70 74 73 2e 20 4e 65 65 64 6c 65 73 |scripts. Needles| 00000690 73 20 74 6f 20 73 61 79 2c 20 6c 6f 6f 6b 69 6e |s to say, lookin| 000006a0 67 20 62 61 63 6b 20 6f 76 65 72 0d 74 68 65 20 |g back over.the | 000006b0 6f 6c 64 20 45 55 47 73 20 77 61 73 20 61 6e 20 |old EUGs was an | 000006c0 69 6e 74 65 72 65 73 74 69 6e 67 20 65 78 70 65 |interesting expe| 000006d0 72 69 65 6e 63 65 2c 20 65 73 70 65 63 69 61 6c |rience, especial| 000006e0 6c 79 20 73 69 6e 63 65 20 69 74 20 77 61 73 20 |ly since it was | 000006f0 61 0d 63 69 72 63 75 69 74 20 64 69 61 67 72 61 |a.circuit diagra| 00000700 6d 20 74 68 61 74 20 49 20 77 61 6e 74 65 64 20 |m that I wanted | 00000710 74 6f 20 64 72 61 77 2c 20 61 6e 64 20 49 20 63 |to draw, and I c| 00000720 61 6d 65 20 61 63 72 6f 73 73 20 52 69 63 68 61 |ame across Richa| 00000730 72 64 20 44 69 6d 6f 6e 64 27 73 0d 61 64 61 70 |rd Dimond's.adap| 00000740 74 61 74 69 6f 6e 20 6f 66 20 43 41 44 2b 2c 20 |tation of CAD+, | 00000750 77 68 69 63 68 20 64 69 64 20 74 68 65 20 6a 6f |which did the jo| 00000760 62 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 20 74 68 61 6e 20 44 69 |b better than Di| 00000770 61 67 72 61 6d 20 77 6f 75 6c 64 20 68 61 76 65 |agram would have| 00000780 20 64 6f 6e 65 21 0d 0d 44 6f 6d 69 6e 69 63 20 | done!..Dominic | 00000790 46 6f 72 64 0d |Ford.| 00000795
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