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Filename: L/+Warnr2
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File size: 0E2E bytes
Load address: 2B204556
Exec address: 6E726157
File contents
12 September 1996


Dear Gus

Going back to my last letter and Click did you happen to catch ITN news on
the 12 September. It reported the year 2000 'BUG'. Somewhat dramatically
but truthful to a degree.

I have been aware for sometime that the year 2000 was going to be a
problem. However the problem has steadly increased in complexity as people
try to solve it.

Apart from the actual clock chip which may or may not increment to 2000
(many will wrap round to 1000) ie only the last three digits actually
count. Software is very suspect, if the original programmers were aware
that the year 2000 is not a leap year then it is likely the software traps
any attempt to pass 2000 and reverts to 1986. I think CLICK is in this
category. Worse if the chip responds or if a new style chip is installed
and and the absence of a leap year is not known to the original software
programmer it will calculate and count on a three hundred and sixty six
day year.

A powerful mainframe computer is not an everyday purchase but many have
been updated with new software through the years most of which whist
running on the same mainframe will compile various and conflicting times
and dates according to the type and version of the program.

For National and large financial institutions the implications a
horrendous for instance some mainframes run specialist data base software
which reads all the various applications and also talks to allof them.
Therby acheving compatibility and data exchange. The Benefits Agency or
any similar body may according to that agency's various computer
applications be paying out pensions thirty years before the recipients
were actually born!

Of course while it will never happen quite like that there may well be
quite a lot of 'Sorry can't do that today/this month the computer's down'
Now is the time to perfect our skills in manually typed invoices!

Much of the suspect software is written in obsolete languages, programmers
are either retired, driving buses or if not dead have totally forgotten
their skills.

PC owners should not gloat, what will happen to DOS time and date
management of files? How about Lotus 123 and Excel with their facility to
use formulae based upon time and date? Take a local area network where
clients costs are compiled on a time basis, were access to the net maybe
limited to specific days and times?

I wonder if any 'Electron' old timers can recall a somewhat academic
arguement in the letters pages of "electron user" all about calendars and
how to determine a leap year? General thought was that a year MOD4 in an
IF THEN ELSE statement would return either a zero or a positive number.
Zero indicated a leap year, a number not a leap year. The matter was
finally resolved by the British Library (British Museum) confirming that
the year 2000 was not a leap year therefore IF THEN ELSE statement needed
to be nested with a further statement to the effect that IF yesr=2000
THENx=1 ELSE x=0. Definitely not a case of yesterdays expert being todays
fool.

Having just read Ross Little's account of ADFS corrupting his disc and the
use of Roland Waddilove's articles to rebuild the disc indexing, I was
thinking about "electron user" and reflecting that it all took place
nearly ten years ago. Clever lot these eight bit buffs!

Hoping Andrew Hilbig read the mid 1980's letters on the year 2000 and
'CLICK' in not a write off. I await comments on how to WRITE to the 'CLICK'
calendar.

Yours sincerely

Roy Warner

PS If anyone has a copy of "electron user containing the reference to the
British Library letter I know a man who who would like to see a copy of
it!


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