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F/TIPS1

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Filename: F/TIPS1
Read OK:
File size: 0B37 bytes
Load address: 3A204556
Exec address: 2E462E31
File contents
						The Old Police House
						Main Road
						Filby
						Great Yarmouth
						NR29 3HY 

Dear 'Gus,

I believe you mentioned in EUG19 about people writing in with the various
tips which they use.  I have got a few listed below.

     a.  To find the last line number of the program in memory, instead of
listing the proram, just hold down Ctrl and Shift, whilst pressing Escape
twice.
     b.  To get an invisable !BOOT file, create the file as normal, but
have a string of five X's on the first line.  Then, use a sector editor to
change the X's to the following hexadecimal values:     

     1C 01 07 01 07 

This will create a zero-sided text window right next to the initial BASIC
prompt.  I use this on most of my !BOOT files, and I think it would look
nice were it used on the EUG disks.
     c.  To get a memory dump of machine code which is stored at &900,
using the ADT Rom (which, as you told me, corrupts this Page if you use
*MEX addr 0), set your printer up and type the following:

     *SAVE filename <start> <end>
     *DUMP filename 0 <turn printer on> <CR>

     d.  A quick MODE change to Mode 6 can be achieved by:

     <Ctrl> V
     <Ctrl> F

Likewise, a CLS can be quickened by:

     <Ctrl> L

     e.  Sometimes it is necessary to have a program with all loops etc.
indented, for, say, presentation purposes.  However, unless you are
prepared to either enter (or re-enter) a program with indented lines, or
use the BASIC Editor's Copy functions to indent these, it is impossible to
do.  The BASIC LISTO command does not work, since a program is not SAVEd
with these indentations.  However, I recently worked out a method to
indent BASIC programs after they have been written, in the same way that
the LISTO command does.  Simply type or LOAD in the program, with no
indentations, and then type in the following:  (The LISTO setting I have
chosen is '6'.  This gives all loop indentations, but does not insert the
wasteful space at the start of the line.)

     LISTO 6
     *SPOOL listing
     LIST
     *SPOOL
     *EXEC listing
     SAVE "filename"

The LIST command will take a fair while to carry out.  Wait until the
BASIC Prompt returns before typing the next command.  After the second
*SPOOL command an ASCII text file will have been created which is your
detokenised indented BASIC listing.  The *EXEC command will now enter this
program at the keyboard (and the computer will treat it like you are
entering it), which is then saved under whichever filename is required.  I
have used this method successfully with the Mastermind game I have
submitted.  All users of this method should bear in mind that it can slow
down a program in the same way as REMs, and waste memory, but I have never
found either of these to be a problem.

Yours sincerely,
Ross Little
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00000b30  4c 69 74 74 6c 65 0d                              |Little.|
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