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!BulBoard/!BBSsys/Kernel/MessData/LongMes
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| Exec address: | 0000 |
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From: gsz@dial.pipex.com (George Szaszvari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: RiscPC reliability
Date: 5 Dec 1995 23:45:52 GMT
Organization: The Direct Path
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In article <243_9512041807@dialis.xs4all.nl>, carper@dialis.xs4all.nl (Rogier Carper) says:
>
>Friday 1st December 1995 18:05:29.00 pm, htp@hepax6 writes:
>
>> I hold out no great hopes of avoiding future expense: they honestly
>> don't seem to be as reliable as some previous machines. My RPC was
>> quite an early one, so I hope Acorn has been able to improve the
>> quality control since.
>
>I've had my RiscPC (ACB15, but heavily upgraded) since 5th May 1994. Serial
>number is 72-ACB15-1010127 (model no. 127). This is a really early RPC. I was
>the second person in the Netherlands to own a RiscPC.
>
>My RiscPC has had no problems with PSU, processor or anything else
>whatsoever. I sometimes boot RiscBSD and leave the machine on for about a day
>or 5, with no problems at all.
>
>The case keeps getting stranger...
I'm slightly surprised by the tales of woe. I had a RiscPC from July 1994
'til last week (sold to a deserving Cambridge student) and there were no
problems at all apart from that silly dust cover/door thingy bezel (for the
spring) coming off (which can easily be fixed.) Otherwise, the machine was
solid as a rock.
The RiscPC also had a Cumana SCSI-2 card added which also worked
perfectly with a 1GB Conner SCSI HDD. That SCSI card was put in around
April/May this year, so probably had improvements over the earlier ones
from 1994 with teething problems (mind you I hadn't attached any other
devices to it...). It's a shame that Cumana have liquidated.
Regards,
George
sorry about posting here with Windoze :-) but I'm still saving up for that
Linux box.
** George Szaszvari, DCPS Chess Club, 42 Alleyn Park, London SE21 7AA, UK **
Spaceship Earth, Milky Way Galaxy ** Cybernautic address: gsz@bbcnc.org.uk
NB: The BBC has ceased to provide Internet access to the public but email to
the above address will be forwarded onto a new PIPEX address throughout 1996
* C=64 stuff wanted * Interested in s/h chess books? Ask for my list *
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From: arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Darren Salt)
Subject: Re: Iain's Headers (again) (was Re: Connor are useless)
Message-ID: <467B86F22B.DC90@spuddy.mew.co.uk>
Sender: arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Darren Salt)
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Iain (Iain@kechb.demon.co.uk) wrote (in article <70C025AF.ITS.A.JOKE.OK?@kechb.demon.co.uk>):
No it's not OK. ;-)
> -----
> Iain Price (IRC:Keydisc)
> iain@kechb.demon.co.uk
> I need a sig. Suggestions
Ahem. No proper (or commonly used) .sig separator. Now we all know a certain
Iain Price pointed out the error of Clive Jones's ways...
And I don't get to see all those nasty "X-*" header lines - they're
eliminated by my transport :-)
How apt a tagline. How *does* TTFN do it...
--
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Darren Salt -- arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk -- Toon at the top! -- Acorn nut |
| Also known as darren.salt@unn.ac.uk on Tuesdays and Thursdays, term time |
+---01268-515441-for-free-email-&-Usenet-----now-awaiting-normal-service---+
'Scuse me a moment... have to recharge my flame-thrower...
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From: alan@pinesoft.demon.co.uk (Alan Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: SmartKill FAQ
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 21:51:36 GMT
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In message <ant011457868rPBD@pvigay.aladdin.co.uk> Paul Vigay wrote:
> It depends what you define a virus as. I define it as something which
> maliciously corrupts or wipes your data or information without your permission.
> I've seen people call !Wanda and !DeskDuck viruses before!! :-)
That's not a particularly widely held definition. A more common one includes
spreading without the users consent or knowledge, and unauthorised modification
of a user's data.
That last phrase is a description of one class of offence under the Computer
Misuse Act, which has now been used a number of times to bring alleged virus
writers to trial (with, I'm pleased to note, a prison sentence being handed
out in one recent case).
To illustrate my point, using Paul's definition one wouldn't describe
Extend or Icon as viruses - which they surely are.
Alan
--
'Could you please continue the petty bickering. I find it most intriguing.'
Data, STTNG 1.4 'Haven'.
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From: staff.asd@birksch.demon.co.uk (Alan Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Acorn causes Cumana to go bust.
Date: 05 Dec 1995 23:46:33 GMT
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In your earlier message you wrote:
>In article <19951203.125531.74@ardman.demon.co.uk>,
>Oliver Clark <oliver@ardman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[ More in the same vein as the subject line ]
>
>I honestly know no more about the situation than's already been said
>in the group. However, it has to be pointed out that this posting is
>the sort of stuff libel cases are made of, unless it's *provably*
>true.
>
>--Clive.
> (Disclaimer: I wouldn't believe a word of this if I were you...)
Yes but speculation is so exciting - Acorn can deny it can't they?
Alan Davies, Head of Computing, Birkenhead School
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From: Christopher Hughes <chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Acorn causes Cumana to go bust.
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 23:45:00 +0000 (GMT)
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In article <19951204.231517.89@findon.demon.co.uk>, Mark Smith
<mailto:mark@findon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In message <19951203.225452.66@hasle.oslonett.no> Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote:
>
> > > Apparently Cumana have not been paid by Acorn for all the CD-Roms they
> > > have already supplied. Has anyone else heard this rumor? It seems
> > > completely stupid for Acorn to cause one of their largest developers to
> > > go bust.
> >
> > Sounds like hogwash. Hint: Acorn Computer-group isn't under receivership.
>
> That doesn't mean a thing....
>
> [Not that I'm suggesting its true, I honestly don't know]
>
Cumana are not that small a company, and although it could be Acorn have
been late in paying there bills, that alone would not have been Cumana's
downfall, (if they have gone down). Don't forget they worked in the PC
market as well. They were service agents for a PC manufactor, as I
understand it.
--
Chris Hughes, Wakefield Acorn Computer User Group
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From: Christopher Hughes <chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Adding a hard disc to A3020 (ST506)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 23:54:56 +0000 (GMT)
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In article <818106899.19087@birksch.demon.co.uk>, Alan Davies
<mailto:staff.asd@birksch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In your earlier message you wrote:
>
> >
> >I hope this was helpful, contact Acorn Computers for the definitive answer.
>
> You are joking of course. Don't expect any reply for weeks - and probably
> not at all. If you get a reply it will tell you to contact your dealer.
Only comment here, if you ring and ask for Customer Support they often answer there and then, sometime s with wrong answer I admit, but then no ones perfect are they!
> Your dealer will not know - as he only employs an ex school kid - and he
> will contact Acorn.
Possible, in fact likely.
>
> In the end they will end up by trying to sell you a RiscPC for 2000ukp as
> they will claim that it the only answer to the problem.
Not if they are a good dealer.
>
> Once you start to consider the cost of a new interface and a new IDE drive
> to go with it (of even miniscule size - the Dealer will tell you that 80MB
> an an Archimedes is worth 500MB on a PC - DONT BELIEVE HIM) - you will
> then realise that for a hundred or so more you can get a brand new PC
> with CD rom drive for the same.
>
>
Rubbish!!!! You can get your IDE drive from almost anywhere, ICS is
probably best bet for an A3020, prices are not much more then so called
PC dealer prices usually, 80Mb can be more then enough for a lot of
people. But because of the demand for larger drives for the PC market
effectively 420Mb has become the smallest size in ready availability.
Yes you can get a PC with CD ROM for around 650ukp + VAT (486DX2 66Mhz)
but it's already OLD before you buy it!
--
Chris Hughes, Wakefield Acorn Computer User Group
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From: Christopher Hughes <chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.apps,comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Windows and the PC card (sorry - ugh!)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 00:18:59 +0000 (GMT)
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In article <19951203.222304.59@yojoe.demon.co.uk>, Ian Cripps
<mailto:ian@yojoe.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snipped lots]
> > Is that stripy icon bug fixed then?
> >
>
> Yes, if you have the Arm Windows Driver which came with !PCx86 version 1.92a
> installed, than the stripy icon go away :)
>
I wish mine did and I have 1.92a and installed the new ARM Driver and
reset via safe mode, its last just one session then I have to start
again in safe mode! :-(
--
Chris Hughes, Wakefield Acorn Computer User Group
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From: sjm@melhuish.demon.co.uk (Dr. Simon J. Melhuish)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: ARM talks at AW
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:16:52 GMT
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References: <49hnd5$ad5@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> <DIx90M.Jo6@uns.bris.ac.uk> <49p8c0$q2h@news.ox.ac.uk> <4a162p$rrn@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
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Last time I looked <4a162p$rrn@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) wrote:
[chop]
> Perfectly valid point. However the original poster made reference to the
> ARM610 doing .5 MFLOPS (!) which refers to *pure* floating point and in
> this context is obviously rubbish.
>
> It's true, short of fractals (where you can expect speedups around 40)
> hardly anything uses FP that much; usually the speedup even with FP nasties
> such as raytracers doesn't exceed 14 or so. But 14 is one hell of a big
> speedup all the same!
>
> Which is why the constant complaints about the FPA being much too slow are
> rather ridiculous, really. A little calculation:
>
[calculation deleted]
>
> Once FP is 50 times faster it doesn't matter too much if it becomes another
> 10 times faster. Not in real life.
>
>
> Andreas
OK, I suppose I don't live in "real life", working in an academic environment :)
I have an A440/1 upgraded with 25MHz ARM3 + FPA10. Alongside it I now have a
RPC600 - no FPA :(
I've given numbers on this group in the past. This time I'll illustrate my
dilema with an example of what my Iranian student said to me when first he
tried one of the basic steps in our data processing procedure on the RPC...
"Simon, I think something is broken. It is _very_ slow."
Enough said.
--
Dr. Simon J. Melhuish --- Jodrell Bank CMB Anisotropy Research Group
Email: sjm@jb.man.ac.uk
http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~sjm/
Also: sjm@melhuish.demon.co.uk
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From: Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Iain's Headers (again) (was Re: Connor are useless)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:42:02 GMT
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> > The lines I object to :
> >
> > X-Length: 982
>
> I plan to leave that in.
It should be a Content-Length (along with Content-Type) or whatever
it is. IIRC, it's something to do with MIME, but I'm probably wrong.
> > In this article, <foo> said:
>
> Whats wrong with this?
It should say "In article <message id>, <real name> (<e-mail>) said:"
or something that includes the message ID at least.
> > Etiam masturbans, semper masturbans.
>
> Speak english/american like everyone else here.
Surely you can work it out? I don't know *any* Latin but I can
guess :-) Just look at the repeated word, and you might get it
eventually.
--
David Long dave@kechb.demon.co.uk
http://www.icafe.co.za/mirage/kechb/dave/
... You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
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From: Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Netiquette (was Voyager Software Bugs)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:42:03 GMT
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> This sort of thing is going to happen rather a lot if we ever get free local
> calls... Demon will have to start charging for time... They'll hate that.
> :-)
AFAIK BT will not be introducing free local calls for a long time.
They said so in some interview I read. Videotron have it, they don't
mind people staying connected to the Direct Connection or whatever
for ages, they have enough lines. Cable modems will probably be here
before free BT calls, so 10Mbps will do nicely, thanks :-)
--
David Long dave@kechb.demon.co.uk
http://www.icafe.co.za/mirage/kechb/dave/
... BASIC is to computer programming as "qwerty" is to typing.
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From: Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: video digitising?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:42:03 GMT
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> Last time I looked <49utas$i96@whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> A.T.Smith@ncl.ac.uk ("A.T. Smith") wrote:
>
> > Promise you won't laugh ? Ok then. I (My Dad actually) signed up for BSB when
> > it came out, I haven't seen a better picture on our TV at home since the BSB
> > system was shut down.
> >
> > We didn't bother switching to Sky because the programmes quickly went from
> > good to bad when BSB was bought out.
>
> Did you know that you can still use them? I've often been tempted by the
> dealers selling the conversion EPROMs and complete receivers at ham radio
> rallies. They make the decoder D2-MAC (I think). Of course you need to know
> German / Italian / etc for the programs to make any sense. :)
This is well off-topic... anyway...
IIRC BSB decoders are already D2-MAC Eurocrypt - they use right-hand
circular polarisation, which only BSB ever used, but the mod changes
them to use vertical or horizontal. There's a new satellite up at
31 degrees East or wherever BSB's was, it's called Thor or something
and broadcasts various non-English channels (mainly French AFAIR).
--
David Long dave@kechb.demon.co.uk
http://www.icafe.co.za/mirage/kechb/dave/
... Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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From: Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
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Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
> In fact "a selection of useful headers" means "all headers except those that
> I know aren't terribly useful, like Path and References" - so that includes
> all the pointless GlobeMail headers, since trn can't tell that they're not
> useful.
Surely it strips out the "X-..." headers as well? I thought they were
designed for less useful information (such as human-readable stuff) so
they shouldn't be included by trn?
--
David Long dave@kechb.demon.co.uk
http://www.icafe.co.za/mirage/kechb/dave/
... AnY 3L33T3 d00dZ oUt ThErE?
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From: Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Running Blu on a RiscPC 700
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:42:02 GMT
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> I *really* like the music. I decided to try and rip it using
> DesktopHacker, but I got an error message telling me that there's an error in
> my memory map, and must contact my dealer immediately. I see this error is
> in the code of !blu, and not an Acorn error, so what gives?
Out of interest I tried the same earlier. The weird thing is that you
don't even have to drag Blu to Desktop Hacker - just running Blu while
dH is on the icon bar gives the same error. dH must do something strange
to zero page, which Blu doesn't like. Any ideas, Andrew "Megadiskasaurus"
Clover?
I thought about running it with old Hacker but Hacker doesn't run on
the Risc PC and Blu only runs on Risc PCs... bugger :-)
Note to anyone following my ramblings in the CAM Map Corrupt thread:
I said to Phillip Temple that you don't always get the error even if
your free and used memory don't add up - Blu can cause this, I managed
it earlier. After the boring intro screens it crashed out for some
reason (it probably gave Press SPACE or click mouse to continue, but
as the palette was all black, I couldn't see :-) ) and I noticed I
only had 1Mb free in the Task Manager, whereas I had over 3Mb before
running it. The numbers just didn't add up.
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From: prt@sj.co.uk (Paul R Thornton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: HELP!! - Partitions on an A540 using an Acorn SCSI card ??
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 19:52:41 GMT
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In article <internews46753B5DFA@argonet.co.uk>, richard@argonet.co.uk says...
>
>Does anyone know if a program from Brian Brunswick called !Partitions will
let
>me create two RISC OS partitions on my A540 with an Acorn SCSI card and a
1GB
>hard disc ?
Yes, I have been using it in a RPC (And an A5K before that) with an IBM
disc for 18 months now, and never had a problem. I don't see why it won't
work in an A540.
>If so, where can I get hold of a copy ?
I only have a modified copy, but I think it is widely available.
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From: pel0015@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it (Sergio Monesi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Can't delete file
Date: 6 Dec 1995 08:42:56 GMT
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Iain (Iain@kechb.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: > > I experienced a disc error while writing to a file, so the file is now
: > > useless. But now I find that I can't delete it . . . attempting to do so
: > > simply hangs my machine.
You should try to use the 'eliminate' utility supplied with the ShareWare
program fsck (available from Hensa). It will remove the file and then fsck
will give you back the lost space.
: I had this problem recently. *checkmap HUNG at the broken file, as
: did fsck...
fsck should not hang when it encounters a broken file! If this error is
repeteable I'd like to have more informations about it so that I could try
to fix this bug.
Regards,
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From: 4922753@hsu1.hvu.nl
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Subject: JPEG-decompression in RISC-OS3.6
Date: 6 Dec 1995 10:02:23 GMT
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In RISC-OS 3.6 there is a special routine to decompress JPEG-files very
quickly. Is this specially for the RPC or could it also be run on an
Archimedes?
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In article <4a07n7$340@news.ox.ac.uk>, Aidan Corey wrote:
>
> Richard Sterry <richard@waveg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >In message <19951128.234337.04@compton.demon.co.uk> Tom Hughes wrote:
> >> Usually # or GBP.
> >
> >or ukp! I see ukp more often than GBP.
>
> The difference is that GBP is the ISO 3-letter code for the UK
> currency, whereas ukp isn't.
>
You also (particularly on airline tickets and the like) see UKL as the
abbreviation. GBP is woefully inaccurate in any event - what do they spend
in Northern Ireland? Not that UKL is totally accurate as those in the
Channel Islands will remind us!
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From: collwood@argonet.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Help with A3000 please
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 10:55:00
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Could some kind person please tell me the correct order to put things back on to
a A.3000's hard disc and any problems that might arrise. Much appreciated. Paul
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From: lee@ehiltd.dircon.co.uk (Lee McGinty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Acorn article in UK Newspaper
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 10:48:29 GMT
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In some article or other, buttimd@argonet.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Well, if the 43p increase in the share price today (!!) is anything to go
>> by, the Express carries far more weight than I thought it did.
>>
>> Wish I'd bought some shares now...
>>
>> Jason
>Did I read right - a 43p increase today? By the way is there any way (via
>internet for instance) that I can see up to date share prices such as those of
>today without waiting for teletext or a newspaper?
You could, by getting in touch with a data vendor like Reuters or
Bloomberg and getting loads of hardware and ISDN lines connected and
then paying lots (and lots) of money each month.
As to whether someone will put such information on the net, that seems
unlikely. Exchanges charge lots of money for real up-to-date prices
and they often prevent you passing that data onto people who aren't
paying for such real time data. For instance, I cannot use the data I
can see on the machine to my right on this computer legally.
I could tell you that at last trade (10:39am 6/12/95), Acorn shares
traded at 211, having reached a new all-time high but by the time it
reaches the news server you could probably see it in the paper.
Lots of shares being traded too (124897 today), which is a lot
considering that most days zero Acorn shares trade.
Lee
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From: pss006@bangor.ac.uk (Glyn Royds)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Sprites to Windoze Bitmaps
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 10:59:35 GMT
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In article <818206193.3706@ccsware.demon.co.uk>, Neil Coffey wrote:
> > There's an application called !ToBMP that converts Sprite and Clear files
> >to BMP's. It's PD, is on most BBS' and was also on an Acorn Computing
> >CoverDisc. Failing that, Creator will also do it for you.
>
> I have an ancient version of Creator that can only handle old (i.e.
> up to 8bpp) sprite formats; is there an update that can handle 16bpp and
> 32bpp sprites?
>
ChangeFSI can do this quite happily from the commandline. What you need to
do is detailed in the file FSIUse within the !ChangeFSI application. What
it boils down to is:
*changefsi <infile> <outfile> <p1-p6>
I can't remember off hand but I think p6 is true-colour binary and p3 will
give you true-colour ascii.
Hope this helps
Glyn
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From: arg4@ukc.ac.uk (A.R.Gundy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: iFS 77 file limit remover
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 95 10:28:22 GMT
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Iain (Iain@kechb.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: This article converted by News2Mail 1.02 (c) Iain Price for the Archimedes
: In this article, <grimmink@fwi.uva.nl > scrawled:
: >
: > adh1003@hermes.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Hodgkinson) writes:
: >
: > >In article <49c97i$44b@zebra.fwi.uva.nl>
: > >grimmink@fwi.uva.nl (M D. Grimminck) writes:
: >
: > [discussion on reliability of file-systems deleted]
: >
: > In particular I remember someone who put some 55 MB data in a spark-archive
: > which turned out to be corrupted.
: Or me who sparkhived a sparkhive and no one can figure out how to recover it.
Have you tried using 'nspark'? Either under UN*X, or on an Arc (make sure
sparkplug or whatever hasn't been 'seen' otherwise it will complain that you're
trying to unspark a directory).
nspark is on hensa, and various other sites...
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From: olly@mantis.co.uk (Olly Betts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:04:30 -0000
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In article <4a1lt7$m7b@doc.armltd.co.uk>,
Michael Williams <mike@nsict.org> wrote:
>rn/trn/strn - Show a selection of useful headers, show the rest if you press
>'t' (for toggle).
Odd, it's 'v' on this copy of strn ('t' shows a full tree for the current
thread), and I've not macroed it. In fact the man page for trn agrees.
Maybe 't' is an rn-ism.
>In fact "a selection of useful headers" means "all headers except those that
>I know aren't terribly useful, like Path and References" - so that includes
>all the pointless GlobeMail headers, since trn can't tell that they're not
>useful.
You can by default hide/show headers with a given prefix so:
trn -h +hfrom +hsubject
Should hide all headers except "From:" and "Subject:". Pressing 'v' will
give you them all.
Not very Acorn relevant I know, though it would be nice to have something
with the power of strn for RISC OS.
Olly
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From: jobroin@madge1.madge.co.uk (Jason O'Broin)
Subject: Re: Acorn article in UK Newspaper
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buttimd@argonet.co.uk wrote:
: Did I read right - a 43p increase today? By the way is there any way (via
: internet for instance) that I can see up to date share prices such as those of
: today without waiting for teletext or a newspaper?
It was 44p by day close.
You can get this information from ESI - Herman Heuser's (sp) electronic
stock exchange quote service. Go to http://www.esi.co.uk/free.home.html
They have a free service which updates some share prices (inc. Acorn) 8 times
a day. There are also some chargable services that might interest you.
Jason
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From: u4f18@cc.keele.ac.uk (RJ Summers)
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Subject: Re: Acorn article in UK Newspaper
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Hang on a second.... I hope Acorn succeeds with this venture....but 500
pounds! Hidden costs like connection fees etc. (will it come with a built
in modem?)....you can buy a PC for around that now (admittedly not top spec)
and people are going to see that this NetSurfer is not really a computer. I
know that people still pay 500 pounds for a word processor instead of
spending a little more and getting a *proper* computer, because all they
want to do is WP, but IMHO most peopl who want internet access would want a
*real* computer.
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From: RMurray@arcade.demon.co.uk (Richard Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Risc PC advert spotted!
Date: 05 Dec 1995 12:33:54 +0000
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Quoting John Simpson (in CSA.MISC)...
JS> ".... and because its a RISC PC its already ahead of the pack..."
~~~~~~~
JS> Of course, the advert was for a Power Macintosh.
Up to their old tricks eh?
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From: RMurray@arcade.demon.co.uk (Richard Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: video digitising?
Date: 05 Dec 1995 12:22:48 +0000
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Quoting mabel@argonet.co.uk (in CSA.MISC)...
mk> If you're still keen on using the video camera, here's some practical
mk> advice I was given on taking pictures of photographs - get two light
You forgot to mention the most fun part... White balance. :-)
However, granted that using a video camera will allow optical effects pretty
much impossible with a scanner - and a digitiser will let you rip pictures
from the VCR or TV too. :-)
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From: RMurray@arcade.demon.co.uk (Richard Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: video digitising?
Date: 05 Dec 1995 12:18:26 +0000
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Quoting paulmeth@argonet.co.uk (in CSA.MISC)...
pk> One of my aims is to digitise photos via a video camera.
Just my penny's worth... Using a video camera to digitise photos is a pain in
the rear end and the results don't look half as good as using a scanner.
Is it possible - if you are going the 'digitiser' route - to record the
original images onto video format?
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From: RMurray@arcade.demon.co.uk (Richard Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Improving AU (was Re: November Acorn User: A waste of space)
Date: 05 Dec 1995 12:15:02 +0000
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Quoting Phillip Temple (in CSA.MISC)...
PT> The user can subscribe and get the magazine and cover disc for the same
PT> price as before, or they can choose to pay less and take just
What about for us lazy gits that want to go to Smiths, buy it and read it and
shove the disc in the drive. Also giving us a chance to not buy it.
If you want a discless version, why not subscribe and ask for one?
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From: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk (Tim Moore)
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Subject: Re: Acorn User CD-ROMs 2 and 3...
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:58:44 GMT
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tom@compton.demon.co.uk (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>In article <19951126.202226.32@southfrm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe (tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> IMHO (liar!) any serious computer processes a lot of data and needs a good
>> database system that will talk to the major database servers (Oracle,
>> Sybase, Informix, even ODBC from *****Soft, etc). Regrettably no serious
>> Acorn application has begun to touch on this market.
>Well ODBC isn't a database server - it's a generic programmer
>interface to various database servers (such as Oracle or Sybase).
It would also never be allowed to be ported, because it belongs to big
Bill G. who wouldn't allow anything to touch the Acorn world with a
barge-pole.
>I'm not at all sure that there is a market for that sort of data
>access on Acorn systems (at least not a worthwhile market). What
>I would like is a relational database where I can define the
>relationships and have them applied automagically instead of
>having to code it manually.
No wonder the Acorn market is educational then, if no one seriously
considers making a new market for it...
The only way Acorn could get out of Education is buy ditching their OS
and getting a port of Windows NT. (but Bill won't allow that either,
because he's too busy trying to merge Intel into Microsoft ... :-)
--
Tim Moore, Teaching Company Associate,
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Email: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk
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From: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk (Tim Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Acorn User CD-ROMs 2 and 3...
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:58:45 GMT
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david@acornusr.demon.co.uk (David Matthewman) wrote:
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>There - I'm being as honest as I can to avoid disappointment. Please
>don't flame me (or Acorn) for the content of the disc which will be
>(a) free and (b) invaluable to a number of people. The more CD-ROMs
>we get out there, the more the Acorn looks like a 'serious' computer.
I agree, look at the PC and Mac markets - EVERYTHING is CD-ROM!!!
It doesn't matter what's on the CDs at the moment, just so long as
they sell and become 'the norm', *then* we can fuss about quality.
The Acorn market has probably under 30 CDs in the Education sector and
about 10 for the rest of the Acorn market - not including CDs with
fonts or stuff on (data CDs).
On PCs, you get your operating system or latest application on CD!!
(and usually contains a huge amount more than the discs).
Take the Microsoft Developers Network which is a support network for
developers, where you get frequent updates on CD containing ALL the
latest windows operating systems, the SDKs, drivers and many other
libraries in packs of about 30 CDs. Each time a new update arrives,
the old CDs are waste! It works out a lot cheaper than buying upgrades
of Windows each time they come out - plus you get beta releases and
all sorts of stuff without having to download for hours off the
Internet (even with the fastest modems).
The Acorn world hasn't even shifted to distributing high density
floppy discs yet!!!!!!!
The stuff is cheap enough now to force people to change, else Acorn
just won't survive outside the Microsoft & PC world.
--
Tim Moore, Teaching Company Associate,
Rigibore Tooling Systems, Rigibore Ltd, Hayle, UK
Email: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk
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From: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk (Tim Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: MS Works on PC486 Card
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:58:46 GMT
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kane@aircraft.demon.co.uk (Kane Clover) wrote:
>In message <internews466F96C284@argonet.co.uk> you wrote:
>> Has anybody installed MS Works (v3.0) from CD Rom ,and got it to work?
>> I can not get past the install prog,and early on in that!, with out the machine
>> hanging up.
>>
>> Regards Trevor :-)
>No, but it works if you move an installed version from a propper PC to an Acorn
>partition with floppies. I won't say how I knew that :-)
So much for standardised and compliant programming :-)
--
Tim Moore, Teaching Company Associate,
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From: Martin Hesketh <Martin.Hesketh@ncl.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.comp.misc,comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Software for teletext decoder
Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:51:38 GMT
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In article <818180863.17945@klaatu.demon.co.uk>, steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft) writes:
|> The decoder doesn't mention Ground Control, or Acorn, it simply says
|> "Universal Teletext Adaptor", and "Model UTA-1". The output is via a
|> 5-pin DIN plug, and it uses a Philips SAA5240P/A chip, which I assume
|> is the teletext decoder. Perhaps this box was also sold for use with
|> a PC, and someone knows where I can get the software? Perhaps I could
|> write my own software? I don't know the spec of the 5-pin output, I
|> can't find the docs at the moment, but I don't think it gave the spec
|> anyway. I suppose I could reverse engineer the Archimedes software if
|> I had to, but I don't fancy the prospect. Any bright ideas?
|> --
|> Steve Loft, Doncaster, UK.
I have the same teletext adaptor connected to the I/O port of BBC Master.
I remember seeing the same teletext adaptor advertised for use with a
PC, so there must be some software out there somewhere. Probably about five years
ago, I had a look at the software (ROM image for BBC), and managed to reverse
engineer it as far as getting the adaptor to tune to a particular channel.
I can dig up that program for you if you wish. If I remember correctly, it
inolved sending a few bytes setup information (one bit at a time), then a one
byte control code followed by two bytes containing an encoding of the frequency
to tune the receiver to.
If you manage to track down some software, I would also be interested.
Martin.
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From: Clive.Jones@armltd.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: For sale 486 card �50
Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:48:48 GMT
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In article <4a1ckb$rop@macondo.dmu.ac.uk>, James Hunter <se2jh1> wrote:
>Nope - the simtec card takes one PC card and the rest are arm processor cards
>or at least cards which act as if they are arms - the 486 ones dont!
I think the important distinction is that the cards occupying the four
extra slots on the Simtec board have to be primary processor cards.
There is also one slot for a secondary processor card, and one slot
for the *real* primary processor card - the one RISC OS actually boots
up on.
--Clive.
(Disclaimer: I wouldn't believe a word of this if I were you...)
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From: michael.williams@armltd.co.uk (Michael Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
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In article <19951206104140.olly@mantis.co.uk>,
Olly Betts <olly@mantis.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4a1lt7$m7b@doc.armltd.co.uk>,
>Michael Williams <mike@nsict.org> wrote:
>>rn/trn/strn - Show a selection of useful headers, show the rest if you press
>>'t' (for toggle).
>
>Odd, it's 'v' on this copy of strn ('t' shows a full tree for the current
>thread), and I've not macroed it. In fact the man page for trn agrees.
>Maybe 't' is an rn-ism.
You're right - it is 'v' for 'verbose'. 't' for 'toggle' is the key to
do the same thing in Emacs RMAIL mode. 8-)
Mike.
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From: michael.williams@armltd.co.uk (Michael Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
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In article <B2FB850.ITS.A.JOKE.OK?@kechb.demon.co.uk>,
Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Surely it strips out the "X-..." headers as well? I thought they were
>designed for less useful information (such as human-readable stuff) so
>they shouldn't be included by trn?
I'll say what I said again. It strips out those headers that it
*knows* to be not useful to the reader. Those are things like path,
references, etc., which are only there really there for the
information of the news transport (the path) and the newsreader (the
references) and not the user. If someone has added non-standard "X-"
headers to the message they obviously weren't intended for the
software to interpret, so they must form part of the message and so
are displayed.
That seems like a perfectly good strategy to me.
Mike.
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From: michael.williams@armltd.co.uk (Michael Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Risc PC advert spotted!
Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:15:50 GMT
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In article <internews467B6C459D@argonet.co.uk>, <kraisee@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>Sveinung W. Tegelsen (Pixeleye@oslonet.no) wrote:
> [Snip]
> >No. Acorn should make Apple observe the fact that Risc PC is Acorn's TM.
>
>Whatever happens Acorn can not let this carry on. Anybody listening in
>Cambridge? (I doubt it).
[snip]
The term RISC PC has been in common use inside the industry for quite
some time to describe *any* RISC-based personal computer. Try reading
any copy of Byte, etc., and the phrase is used extensively, describing
everything from PowerMacs to DEC Alphas. Thus Apple probably have as
much right to call the PowerMac a "RISC PC" as they have in calling a
normal Mac a "PC", which it most certainly is.
What Acorn sell is the "Risc PC" - I suspect that as far as trademark law goes
the capitalisation is all important.
Not speaking on behalf of my company,
Mike.
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From: Clive.Jones@armltd.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:44:50 GMT
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In article <B2FB850.ITS.A.JOKE.OK?@kechb.demon.co.uk>,
Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Surely it strips out the "X-..." headers as well? I thought they were
>designed for less useful information (such as human-readable stuff) so
>they shouldn't be included by trn?
Er... human-readable header fields are exactly the ones you should be
leaving in when presenting an article to a human to read! The ones
that should be hidden are all the message-IDs, references, etc. that
don't normally mean anything to a human.
If a field is human-readable, and isn't machine-readable (e.g. the
field name starts with "X-" so it's not a standard header), and nobody
wants to read it, then the obvious thing to do is to stop inserting it
in the header.
Posting something nobody wants to read, then blaming everyone else's
software for not filtering it out is a trifle stupid.
--Clive.
(Disclaimer: I wouldn't believe a word of this if I were you...)
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From: Roy@dabbler.demon.co.uk (Roy Gillett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Acorn article in UK Newspaper
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In message <4a3sgr$3ab@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Lee McGinty wrote:
>
> You could, by getting in touch with a data vendor like Reuters or
> Bloomberg and getting loads of hardware and ISDN lines connected and
> then paying lots (and lots) of money each month.
Well, you don't have to go quite that far. I can get share prices via
Compuserve. It' does cost, but not as much as all that.
R
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From: sjb42@cus.cam.ac.uk (S.J. Borrill)
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Subject: Re: ftp filenames:1st 10 chars different please
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Phillip Temple (horza@gu228uq.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Why not just use Longfiles?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the FTP client with the FSP truncate
to 10 chars even if you use Longfiles?
Stephen Borrill
P.S. Actually, don't bother correcting me, I'll try it out myself. It's just
an ISTR.
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From: Cardinal Fang <ajrp@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.de>
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On 2 Dec 1995, Richard Murray wrote:
>
> BTW, how can you sign an unwritten contract? :-)
Ahhh, but you don't have to sign a contract for it to be binding 3:*)
Andrew
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From: u4f18@cc.keele.ac.uk (RJ Summers)
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Subject: Re: Christmas
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Gregor Spwart (ceegjs1@cee.hw.ac.uk) wrote:
: MERRY CHRISTMAS to the whole rabble of people who read this.
And a RISCy christmas too.!
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From: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft)
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Subject: Re: Software for teletext decoder
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:39:32 GMT
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esuqg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Hugo Fiennes) wrote:
>Most of the philips teletext chips have an IIC (I-squared-C) interface, which
>in the case of the ground control adpater, probably just connected to the IIC
>interface on the podule backplane. It's quite possible to get this connected
>via a PC parallel port, with no hardware (I think you need a clock
>line and a bidirectional data line, so you could turn around all 8 data
>lines when you needed to tx/rx, and use a control pin for clock). The
>data on the chip should be available from philips, as should techie info
>on I2C.
When I first bought it, it came with software and cable to connect it
to the Arc parallel port. The cable has only four wires - but I'm not
sure how it is wired as the wires have broken off the parallel port
end. When I upgraded to an Arm 3, there was a problem with not being
able to use the decoder while the cache was enabled. I then had to
buy an upgrade consisting of new software and a cable to connect to
the podule backplane.
--
Steve Loft, Doncaster, UK.
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From: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft)
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Subject: Re: Software for teletext decoder
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Martin Hesketh <Martin.Hesketh@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
>I remember seeing the same teletext adaptor advertised for use with a
>PC, so there must be some software out there somewhere.
That's very encouraging :-) I wonder if it was Ground Control who
supplied it. There's nothing on the box (or inside) to suggest that
it was made by them, did they perhaps just write the software for the
Arc?
>ago, I had a look at the software (ROM image for BBC), and managed to reverse
>engineer it as far as getting the adaptor to tune to a particular channel.
>I can dig up that program for you if you wish. If I remember correctly, it
>inolved sending a few bytes setup information (one bit at a time), then a one
>byte control code followed by two bytes containing an encoding of the frequency
>to tune the receiver to.
Yes, I'd be interested in seeing that program, thanks.
--
Steve Loft, Doncaster, UK.
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From: jrp22@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (John Pettigrew (Plant Sciences))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Lets Have a go at GlobeMail(!) (was Re: Acorn Computers Ltd)
Date: 6 Dec 1995 12:16:02 GMT
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In article <B2FB850.ITS.A.JOKE.OK?@kechb.demon.co.uk> Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> In fact "a selection of useful headers" means "all headers except those that
>> I know aren't terribly useful, like Path and References" - so that includes
>> all the pointless GlobeMail headers, since trn can't tell that they're not
>> useful.
>
>Surely it strips out the "X-..." headers as well? I thought they were
>designed for less useful information (such as human-readable stuff) so
>they shouldn't be included by trn?
Unfortunately not. They _do_ appear.
John
--
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Department of Plant Sciences, |to visit the King of the Potato People
Tennis Court Road, |and you want me to believe you're
Cambridge CB2 3EA ENGLAND |completely sane?"
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From: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk (Tim Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: RISC OS Class Library Required + Rant
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:58:58 GMT
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jobroin@madge1.madge.co.uk (Jason O'Broin) wrote:
>Tim Moore (tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: Yes it takes stupidly powerful processors to run Windows 95 (Not much
>: difference between top 486s and Pentiums though), but come on... you
>: can get a bloody cool multi-media setup far in excess of Acorn stuff
>: for about 1,000 pounds!!!!! HALF THE PRICE AT LEAST.
>No you can't.
>We've done this one before. If you actually try to buy a machine of a similar
>spec to a RISC PC700 (eg. 17" monitor, 16 bit sound, 2MB graphics card,
>suitable amounts of memory, DOS, Windows, keyboard, mouse , cache (!) etc).
>and add on VAT, you will spend a little short of 2,000 pounds ( I seem to
>remember we ended up with a price of about 1,850, and that was building it
>ourselves). An RISC PC700 *is* more expensive (it's about 2,500 after VAT).
>It's not twice the price. If you buy a good brand PC (eg. Dell, Compaq), then
>I expect the price differential will be eroded significantly.
The brand, makes no difference these days. Big brands like Compaq are
a rip off as they over charge and don't even give you a monitor.
I don't need 17" monitors and only require 1MB of VRAM, so the price
comes down a lot.
Your pricing is based on something over and above the average offer
with PCs.
Take an Escom P75 PCI mini tower as an example ...
Intel 75Mhz Pentium
850Mb hard disc
8Mb RAM
1MB VRAM (PCI svga graphics)
14" SVGA Monitor
Windows 95 or OS/2, CorelDraw 4, MS Works etc.
Plus it's Microsoft compatible ... :-)
1056.33 (inc. VAT)
+ Multi-media kit ...
Quad speed CD ROM
16 bit soundcard
Speakers
extra 175.08 (inc. VAT)
Total: 1231.41 (inc. VAT) and you can pick it up in the high street
(maybe at a discount as well).
Add another 100 to bring the hard disc over 1GB.
Most Acorn dealers haven't caught on to the cheap costs of hard
discs either.
Oh, and you could also add 150 +vat for complete internet kit with
28,800 modem + software (obviously the internet subscription is
extra). The Acorn mags are advertising the same packs that have
been modified for Acorn for well over 200 +vat.
Don't forget that all this includes on-site warranty and support
before they try to sell you extra cover.
Sure, if you buy from Compaq, then add 1,000 to the cost.
>The other side of the coin is software costs.
>As an example, I looked into the cost of the new Visual C++ 4.0 package. I
>was quoted 359 + VAT (and 110 + VAT for Masm). That's another 470 + VAT just
>for your compiler environment. Fair dues, Acorn C++ may not be as good as
>the Microsoft environment, but you do get an assembler, and it only costs
>200 odd quid (I forget if that includes VAT or not).
VC 4 is not necessary at the moment and will obviously come down in
price. Most people, except games developers, develop with high level
languages and you could pick up a free command line assembler
somewhere if you wanted which can be put into the very configurable
VC++ system.
PS. if you were quoted 359 + VAT then it was probably the subscription
pack (on CD btw) which means each new release you'll get in the post
at no extra cost ! Without subscription VC++ 4 is 175 +VAT !
Face it, the Microsoft development stuff is vastly superior, hence the
price. You don't just get software but support as well. Something like
the Developers Network, gives you all the operating systems and SDKs
on updates saving loads of money on upgrades. Including NT and 95 !
Visual C++ is also available on subscription - more savings.
>You can get a good WP package (Style, Easiwriter) for about 100 quid (I seem
>to remember picking up Style for 90 quid last year. Not bad value). What are
>the costs of a comparable WP package for the PC. MS Word is around 200 + VAT
>(from a recent PCW), MS Office is around 350 + VAT
Yeah, but no one can do something like Office on Acorn, despite what
people think of Microsoft. Most Acorn WPs feel like educational
software (probably are that's why).
>Of course, there may be various deals around (Acorn has the C++ & PRMs instead
>of the 150 quid cashback for example). There are similar deals with Microsoft
>Office I believe.
>It is *VERY* important to look at what you get with some of these cheap deals
>(eg. the ones close to the 1,000 mark). They typically do NOT include VAT,
>only have a 14/15" monitor, often don't have L2 cache (which will seriously
>effect 486/Pentium performance), and often don't include DOS and Windows
>(which will put you back a 100 quid or so presuming you don't rip it off from
>work (which is of course, illegal)).
Almost everything doesn't include VAT, but it's easy to add.
Unless you're going to do DTP, you don't need a 17" monitor. Admitidly
Acorn is cheaper for DTP, due to costs of PC and Mac DTP packages.
>Please do your sums carefully. I suspect you will get a cheaper deal with PCs,
>but I doubt it will be at the level you suggest above (particular after you
>factor the cost of buying legal versions of software).
All legal software included, and I think people are over quoting you
:-)
>You also might like to compare some of the mid range PCs (the 1,000 bunch)
>with the A7000. This might be more within your price range and provide
>comparable performance and features.
Top of the range 486s (which are entry level PCs now) are well under
1,000.
>I hope you enjoy your Christmas shopping :-)
A RiscPC is not on my list. I still like it, but I can't justify the
costs or see much benefit for the cost.
>Jason
--
Tim Moore, Teaching Company Associate,
Rigibore Tooling Systems, Rigibore Ltd, Hayle, UK
Email: tim@rigibore.demon.co.uk
Any views expressed here do not represent the views of
Rigibore Ltd.
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From: ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk (Matthew Hambley)
Subject: Re: Christmas
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In article <DJ5xHC.EHD@cee.hw.ac.uk>, ceegjs1@cee.hw.ac.uk (Gregor Spwart) writes:
|> MERRY CHRISTMAS to the whole rabble of people who read this.
And a prosperous new year to you too.
--
(\/)atthew Hambly, nutter by Royal Appointment
Term time ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk |"It doesn't matter if the cat is
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From: Neural@cjc2.demon.co.uk (James)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: New Artworks Tool & iFS
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 15:00:22 GMT
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We're looking to see the interest in a new artworks tool; a sprite/draw tracer.
We've got basic code and would like to see the amount of interest before
continuing.........
Such a tool would allow the conversion of sprites into vector files within
Artworks. As this is a RFC please send any comments or notification of interest
to Neural@cjc2.demon.co.uk
For those of your who requested iFS & didn't recieve it, apologies- a mail
problem resulted in the apparent loss of a days mail. Most other requests
have been filled with iFS1. Hopefully the full iFS2 image filing system
will be here around the 14th December and all those who requested iFS and
have recieved iFS1 will recieve a copy automatically.
If you want to add your name to the mailing list mail 'INS@cjc2.demon.co.uk'
Regards,
O'Brien at NND
--
"Bother", said Pooh as he got "Filecore in Use"
From Neural Net Design. Reply to
Neural@cjc2.demon.co.uk OR Neural@arcade.demon.co.uk
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From: horza@gu228uq.demon.co.uk (Phillip Temple)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Netiquette (was Voyager Software Bugs)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 00:15:48 GMT
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In message <axHmrUj030n@sktb.demon.co.uk> "Paul L. Allen" wrote:
> In article <19951204.001143.25@gu228uq.demon.co.uk>
> horza@gu228uq.demon.co.uk (Phillip Temple) writes:
>
> > Yes. I read everything on demon.announce, even though none of it ever
> > applies to me.
>
> Strange that you don't have a clue then.
Not really. Most of the stuff is so mind-numbly boring it's hardly
surprising my brain switches off when reading it.
> > That's exactly what I said. To me, 5p for a phone call of unlimited
> > length is as good as free!
>
> Nope, there's a *big* difference. With 5p gone each time you call, there's
> a very strong incentive to stay on all night instead of hanging up when
> you've finished what you were doing and calling later.
Rubbish. No-body cares that much about 5p here and there. They'd
probably spend that much in electricity to keep the computer on
and connected when not doing anything. And saving 5p at the expense
of tying up their phone line all evening so they can't receive any
incoming calls? I don't think so.
> > So I didn't keep up with the Hull saga. Funny that, living in Swansea.
> > I stand corrected.
>
> If you didn't keep up with it, why did you feel the need to pontificate
> and provide false information?
At 2 lines long (my entire post), it must have been one of my shortest
pontifications ever. And the information wasn't false. It was 100%
true, just outdated. Completely unnecessary set of flames IMHO.
--
_________________________
| Phillip Temple | http://sunacm.swan.ac.uk/~horza/acorn.html
|horza@gu228uq.demon.co.uk| FreeNet Starter Pack for web browsing, ftp:
|_________________________| freenet_starter_pack0.05b.spk from:
on his RiscPC cslib.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/freenet/p.temple
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From: rhh@cs.stir.ac.uk (Russell H Horn (UG3))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Who's Next picture.
Date: 6 Dec 1995 17:52:44 GMT
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Some time ago, there was a picture avaliable on the net, depicting an
Acorn, firing an arrow through an apple with the slogan "who's next".
Does anyone know where this picture can be found - I believe it was an
artworks file.
Thanks in advance,
Russell.
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From: thowat@xargle.demon.co.uk (Tony Howat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Acorn article in UK Newspaper
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:56:02 GMT
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In article <9512051015.AA02202@snow-white.luton.ac.uk>, "Jason Banham (Sys" wrote:
[acorn and oracle]
I've read in several journals that *Apple* are doing the hardware for
Oracle. What's the deal?
--
Tony
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From: thowat@xargle.demon.co.uk (Tony Howat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Iain's Headers (again) (was Re: Connor are useless)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:31:05 GMT
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In article <73A5F2E8.ITS.A.JOKE.OK?@kechb.demon.co.uk>, Iain wrote:
> This article converted by News2Mail 1.02 (c) Iain Price for the Archimedes
> In this article, <thowat@xargle.demon.co.uk> exclaimed:
>
> Oh god, it's you.
Nice to see I'm welcomed...
[snip]
> > The lines I object to :
> >
> > X-Length: 982
>
> I plan to leave that in.
How about changing it to content length?
> > X-Newsreader: Archimedes GlobeMail version 1.33
> > X-Transporter: Doggysoft's Termite Internet
>
> Those two will merge
Good.
> > X-Newsreader-Writer: iain@kechb.demon.co.uk
> > X-Header-Problems: Please mail any header problems to iain@kechb.demon.co.uk
>
> Removed
Hurrah.
> > Message-ID: <xxxxxx.GlobeMail.Is.The.Best.Mailer@kechb.demon.co.uk>
>
> Truncated to <GlobeMail.xxxxx.xx@...>
Reasonable.
> > This article converted by News2Mail 1.02 (c) Iain Price for the Archimedes
>
> Removed
Not yet you haven't. I'll look forward to it.
> > In this article, <foo> said:
>
> Whats wrong with this?
Lack of message id.
> > You asked for header problems to be reported. You respond by telling people
> > they're sad for reading headers, and that they should get _their_
> > newsreader fixed.
>
> Twas your attitude that prompted that
What, my attitude that caused you to suggest pine, tin and many other mailers
were broken? Interesting...
> > Maybe I could deal with a few of those lines, if there
> > wasn't such a precocious git desperately defending them.
>
> See?
Not really.
> > Etiam masturbans, semper masturbans.
>
> Speak english/american like everyone else here.
Chuckle... :)
Thankfully, it would seem we have a result. It would've been nice if you'd
shown this sort of reasonable attitude to start with, avoiding the slanging
match that we ended up with.
--
Tony
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From: alan.gray@argonet.co.uk
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Subject: Re: RiscPC reliability
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Tom Hebbron writes:
> I don't know what the problem is with all these other 600's, as I've had mine
> 15 months, switched on 24 hours a day,
Similarly, I've had mine for 18 months, used for 6 hours a day. I was just going
to extol its virtues in this thread yesterday when - crash - and when I reset,
the CMOS appears to be erratic - it forgets the screen font, the monitor-type
and screen resolution etc. When running configure to get things back to normal I
keep getting "Bad Rename" errors.
Anyone seen this one before? And I thought the rechargable battery should last
for years... I _suppose_ this is what it is. Any comments anyone?
Cheers,
--
Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk : Dr A.G.Gray, Church Lane, Great Warley, Essex. UK
N 51 33' 58" E 00 17' 35" : G3XQU (DXCC=323c) Acorn RiscPC Made in England
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From: Robert Templeman <mbcaprt@mphhpd.ph.man.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: ARM810 Announcement
Date: 6 Dec 1995 15:21:16 GMT
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trims@sherwood.demon.co.uk (Ian Trimble) wrote:
>
>
>ARM TO EXTEND FAMILY WITH ARM8 HIGH PERFORMANCE ARCHITECTURE
>
>
>This was first posted four days ago to comp.sys.arm. I'm amazed at the
>lack of comment to date. Would the techies care to comment?
>
I think the poster apathy is indicitive of peoples belief in anything
high(er)-performance and Acorn.
Also the ARM810 in time-honoured tradition is not really a performance
orientated product, i mean 80 MIPS, that would be downright offensive a year
ago, hehe. With the StrongARM NOT being developed by ARM and a damn sight
faster people just dont care for announcements about slower processors.
Besides it'll probably take Acorn a year to get the ARM810 on a card for a RPC
anyway. Look how long it took for the ARM710!
I just hope that when DEC do ship SA's either ART or a third party will
quickly stuff one (cacheless, i dont care) on a card for the RPC, at least then
we'll be able to play games like PC owners (cos lets face it with no FP
prospects theres nothing else to do with the processing power!)
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From: Mark Ray <M.Ray@UEA.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: The golden beeb and other nostalgia
Date: 6 Dec 1995 16:12:08 GMT
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Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I remember in Electron User a program from "Lirpa Loof, India"
I remeber running this one, when I was a 7 year old... I seem to remember
that they put it in the May issue(!)
Mark
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From: Max Palmer <mjp@phastr.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Wanted : 2nd hand copy of Artworks.
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:29:19 +0000 (GMT)
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Hi, apologies for posting here but everywhere else seems even less
appropriate (save c.s.a.apps).
Anyway, the subject says it all really. If anyone has a copy of Artworks
that they're not really using / selling off as part of a larger bundle and
they fancy getting rid of it easily then can you let me know ? Email me
with a price and then we'll haggle ;-)
(FYI I'm willing to pay up to about 50% of the cheapest retail price I've
found)
Cheers,
Max
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From: Aidan.Corey@sjc.ox.ac.uk (Aidan Corey)
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Subject: Re: Calling ChangeFSI from assembler
Date: 5 Dec 1995 03:28:05 GMT
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Vincent Lefevre <vlefevre@ens.ens-lyon.fr> wrote:
>I'd also like to know why !ChangeFSI changes to mode 0 by default
>when there is VRAM.
On a machine with no VRAM the VIDC accesses screen memory via the main
bus, halting the processor. Mode 0 requires less screen memory than
most modes, so the processor is halted less often and ChangeFSI runs
faster.
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From: auj@aber.ac.uk (Alun "Da Penguin" Jones)
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Subject: Re: Memory protection
Date: 5 Dec 1995 17:05:43 -0000
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Further up the screen steve@turnbull.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> main() { int *p ; p = malloc(sizeof(int)) ; *p = 3 ; free(p) ; *p = 4 ; }
>
>This seemed crazy to me, after all C is designed to do low level things
>and memory protection would defeat it.
If you wish to defeat memory protection then don't use malloc. C is not
able to subvert the restrictions placed upon it by the OS. In fact, no
user program is. The example above is illegal under ANSI/ISO C, but that
doesn't guarantee it won't work on all systems.
In fact, the bit quoted above is more a piece of luck with the way free
is implemented in whatever library you happen to be using than anything.
I can think of several ways it could fail even under Acorn C:
1) A clever malloc() library which messes with Wimpslots to grab and
free memory. After free() there is no guarantee that the address of p
is even mapped into the memory space of your process. This is the way
that Unix systems tend to do it, though the blocks are often mapped
in/out in page sized chunks, so it could still work on Unix.
(In fact it does with DEC cc on OSF using the standard libraries -
just checked)
2) The malloc() library using a linked list with a terminating object to
manage its memory chunks. While *p=4 would probably work, the chances
are that it would corrupt the arena for subsequent mallocs to die on.
Cheers,
Alun.
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From: neil@ccsware.demon.co.uk (Neil Coffey)
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Subject: Why program for the Arc?....
Date: 06 Dec 1995 01:03:05 GMT
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>But there are probably a thousand times as many programmers competing with
>you. Unless your programs are very good you won't sell to anything like the
>same fraction of owners. There are still areas on Acorn machines which are
>hardly touched at the moment, and where you could sell a program just
>because it's the only one. I doubt that applies to anything in the PC
>world.
Well, they don't have an Arc emulator yet :-)
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From: neil@ccsware.demon.co.uk (Neil Coffey)
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Subject: Memory protection
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[program that does something extremely stupid and unuseful snipped]
>This should not be a problem on the Arc - but almost guaranteed to screw
>up on a UNIX system eventually...
>
>I thought C was meant to be portable - or is it just well written code
>than can be ported.....!
It's portable if you use standard libraries that exist across platforms.
I should imagine most programs written on the Arc would require almost
a complete re-write. For instance, I'm currently porting one of my own
programs (uses the toolbox) from RISC OS to Windows (boo hissss I know,
but there's a market there). Whilst a large amount of the code compiles
with Borland C/C++ without much change, the front end is having to be
re-written virtually from scratch.
But portability stops being an issue when you start doing stupid things
like bashing bytes into memory that has nothing to do with your
program whatsoever.
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From: arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Darren Salt)
Subject: Re: Disallowing SWIs
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Mark Wooding (csuov@csv.warwick.ac.uk) wrote (in article
<49jvq2$kk8@dodger.csv.warwick.ac.uk>):
> The behaviour which is /not/ to be relied upon is the strange PC being
> PC+12 in subsequent cycles of an instruction. This is used in the PRM
> example for vector-postprocessing:
[snip]
> The STMFD R13!,{PC} stores the PC and PSR 12 bytes ahead of the current
> instruction, which is the bit of code we want to do the postprocessing.
> This is the behaviour which is no longer guaranteed.
So what would be done instead? I think this:
STMFD R13!,{R0,R10-R12,R14}
; ...
ADR R14,return
STMFD R13!,{R14} ; Spot the difference
ADD R12,R13,#8
LDMIA R12,{R10-R12,PC}^
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; ...
ADD R13,R13,#4
LDMFD R13!,{R10-R12,R14,PC}^
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From: arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Darren Salt)
Subject: Re: HELP! I'M IN _BIG_ TROUBLE!!
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Iain (Iain@kechb.demon.co.uk) wrote (in article <6E8DF44A.ITS.A.JOKE.OK?@kechb.demon.co.uk>):
[cam map corrupt error]
> The cam map (Constant Addressable Memory) I think performs the mapping
> from physical ram to logical ram in the MEMC. When corrupt, some pages
> are just 'lost', thus giving you the incorrect sums.
> You can make one by sodding around in the system workspace between &100
> and &1ff (not sure)
The start address appears to be &16C, with &200 bytes per 128 pages, giving a
total allocation of &800 bytes for a 16MB machine (4 MEMCs, each handling 128
pages of 32K each).
Of course it's completely different for the MMU as found in ARM6 and later.
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From: Dave <Dave@kechb.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: OS_CallAfter to C module code
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> Internal error: abort on data transfer at &038117D8
>
> Is what I am trying possible ? Here's some code.
<snip>
> _kernel_oserror *process(int handle)
> {
> printf("Processing...\n");
> return 0;
> }
In process() you need another bit of code to OS_AddCallBack a
callback to *another* routine which does the printf. You can't
call most things from IRQ mode (which you'll be in during
process() ), as all sorts of re-entrancy problems occur.
OS_Write0 probably isn't allowed, and anything else C does
on the way might not be. Callbacks call the routine when the
processor's next idling, and it's entered in USR mode so you
can call anything.
If you want to check if a SWI can be called from a CallAfter
or whatever, see the Re-entrancy section under that particular
SWI in the PRM - that's what that section means. Non-re-entrant
means you can't call it from a CallAfter, as it might be in the
middle of being called already - say if you're doing a long
OS_Write0 of 1000 characters or something, and the CallAfter
times out: the next OS_Write0 is done perfectly, then back to
what we were doing before: oops, Risc OS forgets what we were
doing before and gets confused. That's why the address exception
occurs *after* the "Processing..." bit is printed.
Sorry if I've explained the obvious or gone on for far too long;
I'm just trying to be useful around here :-)
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From: dallison@bfsec.bt.co.uk (Dave Allison)
Subject: Re: Disabling stack checking in EasyC/C++
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Ajith Ponnampalavanar (ajith@softedge.ftech.co.uk) wrote:
: Hi,
: Is there a way of disabling stack checking for specific C functions in
: EasyC/C++ ? I know that the Acorn C/C++ & Gcc can do this via the
: following methods, but is there a way of doing this under EasyC/C++ ?
: Disable Stack Checking Enable Stack Checking
: ---------------------- ---------------------
: Acorn C/C++ #pragma -s1 #pragma -s0
: Gcc #pragma no_check_stack #pragma check_stack
: EasyC/C++ ????? ??????
Not in the current release. I'll put it in the next version. It'll
be a #pragma too.
The next version will be available soon. I have a number of reported
bugs to look at.
Dave
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From: simon@microlib.demon.co.uk (Simon O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: Demo/Game Coding - RECONFIGURE?!
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Andy@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk (Andy Armstrong) wrote:
> Explorer is way, way better then the RISC OS filer. I know there's lots
> of nastiness under the surface, but after eight years of using
> Archimedes I have to say I enjoy the Windows 95 interface very much.
I think RISC OS needs updating to bring it into line, there are still a few
annoying things in there (such as the save-box idea, and the box goes away
when you click anywhere else - so you have to go round opening windows to
find the right dir - whereas a (less user friendly tho) file listing is much
more flexible for more advanced users)
also another thing I'd like to see would be allowing the icon bar to be
changed, and to be moved about (it wouldn't be that hard I reckon since the
iconbar is a window anyway) and resized...
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michael.williams@armltd.co.uk (Michael Williams) wrote:
> Er, not true. Xerox PARC developed the WIMP for Xerox. Apple were just
> one of the first vendors to copy it.
Ok not exclusively, but it still was one of the very first (before the Mac
(the II ?)) - the rest of the world were still using CLI based OS's at the
time though until everyone else caught on to the idea.
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From: James Hunter <se2jh1>
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Subject: Re: A5000s and an EIDE hard disc
Date: 14 Nov 1995 11:58:42 GMT
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mcg017@news.salford.ac.uk (Nick Burrett) wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is it was possible to use an E-IDE hard disc with the
>standard IDE interface in the A5000 ?
>
>Nick.
>n.a.burrett@mcs.salford.ac.uk
>
Yes.
EIDE drives are much faster when used with an EIDE interface but will
function as an IDE drive when connected to an IDE port.
Most IDE hard drives now avaliable are actually EIDE anyway.
James.
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From: bryan@csolon.demon.co.uk (Bryan Hogan)
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Subject: Re: Xara studio...
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In message <19951203.214948.05@hallas.demon.co.uk> Richard G. Hallas wrote:
>
> The bitmap tracer, for instance, is quite staggeringly good. I simply
> wouldn't have believed that a 24-bit colour photo could be translated
> successfully into a vector file (which looked virtually identical) in
> a matter of a couple of seconds if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.
Now that is something that CC could convert back to RISC OS, as it is
mostly processing code not UI based. None of the existing tracers seem that
good (AFAIK).
Bryan.
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Richard Gooding (mabel@argonet.co.uk) wrote:
[Snip]
>Thta's funny - how did you know I was using opening alien eggs as my
>directory icons? :)
Oh purleeeese! ;-)
[Snip]
>If anyone has any ideas as to what should go where, don't be shy, let's
>hear them!
How's about;
1 Slider bars being firing auto-guns?
2 Slider bar arrows being small figures of Marines and exploding aliens? At
the correct ends for the firing auto-guns of course.
3 Save Boxes having little (SAV[E]iour) drop-ships in them? Possibe?
4 What would look good instead of the Task-Manager? Ideas? Bishop? Queen?
5 Boot file/directory as the Narcisus
6 System as the Sulaco!
7 Scrap as Nostromo?
8 Apps (resource icon) as an APC (Close enough speeling)!
9 Godda have a alien-saliva-filled-tunnel-background for the iconbar. Has to
be done...
10 Hard / floppy-disc icons?
11 Fonts?
12 Printers as Signal locators? Hmmm any better suggestions?
13 OPT and RADIO icons as (differing?) Chestburster's in and out of course...
[....]
>I've edited the templates for most of the desktop to make them black; would
>everyone prefer it if I adjusted things in the release version to work on the
>standard grey desktop?
I would prefer the black-moody desktop feel to be thorough! It'll be bad enough
having to put up with namby-pamby icons from suppliers with
'scripted-paper-'n'-quill-pens' as logos clogging up the desktop ;-)
PS anybody interested - I recomment ALL of the novels as reading material!
especially Steve Perry's 'Aliens' series. Brilliant!
RBT.
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From: Aidan.Corey@sjc.ox.ac.uk (Aidan Corey)
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Subject: Re: ASCII characters
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Nick Smith <nas@ant.co.uk> wrote:
>For instance, OmniClient=AE is =A9 ANT Limited, 1995 and costs =A3 ... well=
>, you
>get the idea!
Umm...
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Richard Sterry <richard@waveg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <19951128.234337.04@compton.demon.co.uk> Tom Hughes wrote:
>> Usually # or GBP.
>
>or ukp! I see ukp more often than GBP.
The difference is that GBP is the ISO 3-letter code for the UK
currency, whereas ukp isn't.
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From: Aidan.Corey@sjc.ox.ac.uk (Aidan Corey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: TV/Radio listings
Date: 5 Dec 1995 02:43:13 GMT
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In article <internews467834A609@argonet.co.uk>, <sranthony@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>Can anyone help? I have been trying to find a good TV listings page (or two) f
>or
>the stuff Diamond Cable send out from satelites such as ASTRA. I don't want
>picture or adverts or multiply nested menus, just the listings (and perhaps a
>bit about what is on). I am after a non-paper version of Radio Times.
I get my listings from http://www.yearling.com/ - but there are a few
snags! You can turn off image loading, but more importantly the two
RISC OS browsers I've tried don't support the request form! These are
ArcWeb and Fresco. I understand the Voyager browser is basically
ArcWeb renamed, but it might be worth trying to see if there's a
difference.
My solutions are to use NetScape or Mosaic on a PC, or more usually to
telnet to one of my unix accounts and use lynx.
Sorry if that isn't very helpful. I'm hoping that (with a little
encouragement) ANT will add the necessary support to Fresco, and you
could try asking Argo to do the same. Until the RISC OS browsers
catch up, if enough people email the Yearling people they might be
persuaded to offer an alternative forms interface. They've seemed
quite friendly in the past.
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From: Joshua Goodall <jjg@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: HENSA/micros Downtime-AR
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Philip Colmer <pcolmer@acorn.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <49jt9v$keo@acorn.acorn.co.uk> The Higher Education National Software Archive <hensa@micros.hensa.ac.uk> writes:
>
>>We will be replacing the existing operating system, SunOS 4.1.3 with
>>Solaris 2.4. This is mainly to allow for future hardware expansion.
>
> Shame that Sun have just released Solaris 2.5 ... nothing like forward
>planning, eh? :-)
Given the problems that I have witnessed here in upgrading a MAN from
SunOS to Solaris they would be wise to upgrade initially to a version
which, although not stable has at least a list of known problems and
workarounds.
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From: rhh@cs.stir.ac.uk (Russell H Horn (UG3))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: Windows and the PC card (sorry - ugh!)
Date: 5 Dec 1995 21:18:46 GMT
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mdavies@argonet.co.uk wrote:
> Steve Holroyd <srh@holsoft.demon.co.uk> wrote :
> > In article <19951125.142419.87@fjukes.demon.co.uk>,
> > frank@fjukes.demon.co.uk (Frank Jukes) wrote:
> >
> > > I've RTFM but can't work out how to start the PC card in Windows rather than
> > > the IBM DOS Shell.
> > >
> > > Anyone able to help?
> >
> > Type WIN at the C: prompt.
> : - SNIPPED
As an alternative you could use Win95. As this replaces Dos, it loads
automaticaly.
All you need is a 14MB RPC and it works fine ;-)
> Regards - Malcolm.
> --
Russell.
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From: arel@oslonett.no (Are Leistad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: video digitising?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 05:23:39 +0100
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In article <DJ2Gxq.FrF@uns.bris.ac.uk>,
cpian@mail.bris.ac.uk (IA. Nichols) wrote:
> Stuart Halliday (Stuart@quantumsoft.co.uk) wrote:
>
> [lots of quite helpful information, actually]
>
> ....but .... Given that there isn't (AFAIK) a digitiser available for an
> Acorn that will capture all 768 lines from one frame, and given the cost
> of a camera capable of reproducing more than about 300, wouldn't it be
> cheaper & better in the long run to get a scanner? There are some 2nd
> hand ones around now.
Hmmm, the Irlam 24i16 seems to grab 768 * 576 in one frame (two fields).
It has a 1MB buffer so at 16bpp there's room for it.
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